They said the Irish were treated better. Thank you. It appears that everyone, including you, completely ignored my comment where I pointed out that the British would hire pirates, specifically Barbary Pirates from North Africa and the Middle eatern areas, to raid entire Irish villages with the intent of wiping out said village so the British could take over the land and do with it as they wish. https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%E2%80%98irish-slaves%E2%80%99-convenient-myth. Well never know for sure. in order to be enslaved it didnt matter whether you were Irish, English, Welsh, Scots, Black, White. I still choose not to use the Irish name my Black family still carries. (skip gates, wanda sykes, all have traced their roots to irish women who paired up with african men.). However, a whopping 50 to 80 million people around the globe are thought to share in Irish ancestry. The article failed to explain that. Id gladly accept a Cajun than a damn IRISH redneck!!!!!!! Gee, did the Irish ever make whisky? Actresses Kerrie Keane and Dolores Keane, as well as football manager Roy Keane, are three of the most famous Keanes. The mortality rate of enslaved Africans during the slave trade was so high that white planters had to replace entire popoulations of 30,000 plus people every 5-7 years. Giving in exchange for a debt that was owed to my grandfather, he didnt want anyone to know his family history, did you know there were Germans who were held in prison in N.Orleans La. The Irish are Iber-ish (Hebrew man) They were INDENTURED SERVANTS as were the very first Africans brought to the colonies that became the USA which meant 1) they entered a voluntary agreement to exchange their time for passage to the USA or for some type of apprenticeship or training, 2) after a period of time their SERVICE ended usually about 7 years. Or was the heaten allowed to do this in a kind of prophetic way? The Irish have, throughout history been very cruel to African Americans so let them the many of them wear the title of red neck like it is their badge of honor. Evidence of last names in Ireland appears from around the early 900s, making it one of the first places in Europe to adopt hereditary surnames. I know for some sorry isnt enough and I agree .However Im more concerned with my family that was shackled, bound, branded raped, sold. Indentured servitude is a form of slavery not *voluntary servitude*. I always wondered why so many African Americans had the same last name as I did when I was single. The Table shown here gives a listing of the 100 most commonly names found in Ireland and their meanings. Famous Brennans include conedian Neal Brennan and actor Walter Brennan. Do you have any references from which I can further research this? They were dictators and if they felt it to their advantage theyd sell off members of their own tribe and simply call it their right as ruler. Whereas black African slaves were COMPLETELY stripped of their identity and had to assume the surname of their master. The terminology is interchangeable, while there are cetainly differences in forms of slavery to say there was none is a tad rich, unless youve been an indentured servant yourself perhaps you know the benefits? II, 1656-1662. I can say MacIntyre, I dont know what a Mwanajna is, Ill call you Mo. Similar to many of the Americanized name changes coming through Ellis Island. ODwyer is a popular Irish name in Australia with cricketer Edmund Thomas ODwyer and National Rugby League player Luke ODwyer both having the name. As poor people in the same boat, yes there were relationships, marriages etc. Where they were made to feel unwelcome, they headed for the hills, which is why we have the Appalachian populations, and others like them, populating those hills to this day. Gallagher is one of the most common hereditary surnames in County Mayo. It seems more likely that "Black Irish" is a descriptive term rather than an inherited characteristic that has been applied to various categories of Irish people over the centuries. Paris Donnatella is an avid writer and traveller. I added the Facebook icon to my blog so you can share the link. The West, wrongly puts Africa, which is a continent not a country, as all the same people. And dont realise you are all from the one race- the human race. While the Irish did not have it good they had much better circumstances than slaves. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. What have the IRISH contributed to Louisisanas unique and amalgamated cultural heritage like the Cajuns, Creoles and blacks have?!!!!! What happened to 6 million of them? From a young age, nomadic parents placed a strong emphasis on education in real experience and the outdoors - a trait which has carried through her life and into her career. McCarthy 14. Maybe in a generalized way, but can never say for each individual. There is a book called White Cargo. Get your heads out of your collective asses and out of all those others. There were Irish owners. Notable Cunninghams include American professional basketball player Dante Cunningham and football quarterback Randall Cunningham. Blacks are still enslaving one another and so are Whites, it needs to stop. Other theories suggest that the term Black Irish results from Irish immigrants. So if Irish slave girls intercoursed with black slave men, how did the Irish names carry through? [5] It is the masculine version of the name Ciara . You would be amazed at what all of history has been created. They were allowed to keep their last names? Many Irish were American slaveholders, some had even once been indentured servants at one time and after serving their indentured term went on to own a slave or two or several. The word 'Cearmaid' comes from Old Irish and is probably a combination of 'ciar' (black) and 'madra' (dog), thus meaning a 'black dog.' 23. As with the Vikings, these were viewed as a people of "dark intentions" who ultimately colonized much of the Eastern part of the country and several larger towns. Chattel slavery was perpetual, a slave was only free once they they were no longer alive; it was hereditary, the children of slaves were the property of their owner; the status of chattel slave was designated by race, there was no escaping your bloodline; a chattel slave was treated like livestock, you could kill your slaves while applying moderate correction and the homicide law would not apply; the execution of insolent slaves was encouraged in these slavocracies to deter insurrections and disobedience, and their owners were paid generous compensation for their loss; an indentured servant could appeal to a court of law if they were mistreated, a slave had no recourse for justice. American comedian, political commentator, and television host William Maher is one of the most well-known Mahers. Second, there was intermarriage in the caribbean with descendents from the cromwellian slave trade of the Irish and African slaves. And at last; nowhere in the article did the author claim that the treatments to the Irish were worse. His name is Liam Hogan or should I say Lord Hogan lol. If this is the case, contrary to what may often be thought (that the term refers to an Irish person with dark skin, hair, and complexion), the label is actually a reference to said invaders intentions, all those centuries ago. That is the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard. By the mid-19th century, Connor was the most common variant of this name. Today there are lots of Irish people reverting to their original names and not the English versions. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.amp.html, My last name is Doyle since I been on Facebook Ive learned there is alot of people in Jamaica with last name as mine I am in Chicago and its alot of us scattered through the city but it very nice to know we are Doyles all over the world beautiful black people. The Irish language was systematically eliminated in Ireland until the resurgence in the 1920s. Stop with this damn lie. https://sudbury.ma.us/services/news_story.asp?id=259, Im Dutch and this is only the second time Ive read about this in my life.. Still, you probably ask your colleague or friend its meaning, and theyre likely to draw a blank. This historical issue is clearly more complicated than most people give it credit for being. Black Irish (album), 2017 music album by American singer-songwriter Shannon McNally. People who were no longer allowed to speak their own language, practice their own religion, marry who they want to marry, raped, murdered, separated and had absolutely no control over their lives for over 250 years? Did they feel they had a moral obligation to not support slavery? My last name is Dingle. There has been slavery of some form for as long as humans have been homosapiens. Maine had the highest population of Blake families in 1840. In June 2020, Darker Still Spirits . They could be biological descendants of an Irish or Scottish family. The mental gymnastics required to equate having Irish last names and black Americans with the Irish having been slaves right along side us is astounding. But, the tone of the article seemed to suggest that Blacks should not feel like they have been singled out bullied because the Irish was also subjected to indentured servitude or slavery. At what point did marrying an Irish person stop being illegal and considered bestiality? Disgusting hypocrites and totalitarians, thats what they are. You cannot water down the mistreament of black slaves and the CONTINUED systematic/institutional oppression of black people. Please stop, bad mouthing people, that sacrifice their time to look through many books to put stories together in order to bring us something new. The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. The truth is African-American is not your true nationality. Other aspects of racism and bigotry are far too complicated to touch on here. "Kiss me, I'm Irish" is a popular phrase often associated with St. Patrick's Day celebrations. Rarely youll find them listed by age, gender and a first name NEVER A LAST NAME. Where they not forced to build railroads and gassed and burned in ovens? Some aspects of racism are religious others are cultural but in most cases have nothing to do with something as simple as skin color and are definitely not limited to Blacks. Unlike African slavery ,the Irishs story was not widely publicised. Adam and Eve are my ancestors as well as yours DNA has proven that we all tie to the original humans they lived in Africa. This may have some truth but how does this compare with Jim Crow and the continued racism experienced by Blacks in 2015? Did they live off the land, eat a lot of potatoes? More White Supremacist bullshit there were no white slaves, the Irish and Scots were originally black people, they descend from black Hebrew Israelites called the Iber (Heber or Eber, vowels are interchangeable and are the same people who travelled to Africa and called themselves the Ibo or Igbo). One of the most famous Buckeys is singer-songwriter Jeff Buckley. I think you should be careful in your condemnation of what you apparently arent aware of, Gaelic Catholic culture of Ireland was subjected to English Protestant Supremacy, and Penal Laws imposed by the English Parliamentarian Cromwell in his brutal conquest of Ireland saw to it that the Gaelic Catholic culture be prohibited. Interesting read on the landowners and the British rule in Ireland. The English Welsh and Scottish peoples all suffered by the hands of the elitist British. Irish were indentured servants,which lasted 7 years. There wasnt even a need for comparison, let along doing so while ignoring all the other colors of people who were enslaved and abused. Poverty is the great enslaver. (I feel it necessary to elaborate because of your intellectual handicap. Irish victims are not victims enough? It is possible that the term "Black Irish" may have referred to some of these immigrant groups as a way of distinguishing them from the "Gaels," the people of ultimately Celtic origin. This is a damn sight different than chattel slavery. My grandfather gave me His name..I lived with him in the flesh Where the Black Irish really came from and no, it wasnt the Spanish Armada, Mariah Careys Black Irish liquor cannot be sold in Ireland due to legal battle, International Irish Coffee Day: The history and recipe of Irish coffee. It seems some people are trying to argue as if only black people were ever slaves?? Ciarn ( Irish spelling) or Ciaran ( Scottish Gaelic spelling) [2] [3] is a traditionally male given name of Irish origin. I am a Jamaican and I do know, based on teaching, that whites were experimented as slaves for a short period; however they failed to be productive in the climate and harsh conditions. The Irish are ignorant beasts of the field!!!! Her first husband was White and her second husband was Black. Murray Irish spelling: Muireadhaigh Meaning: Descendent of Muireadhaigh, a seaman. Im curious. Debating its distinctions is appalling and only has in place in academia and never in culture or politics. Not all of them were slave owners, not all were wealthy or priviledged or educated. Not just the Irish. Again get creditable sources!!!!!!!! 1. Just dont take my stuff from me!! "X" became the chosen surname of many black nationalists who rejected their slave names. Its like saying, Im personally offended by you not because of your genetics but because of your race!. the first anit miscegenation laws were passed to prevent such mixing. 8 years now however somethings were very apolling, sad, disgusted me.shamed me. Is a Black slave with an Irish father any less Irish than African? However, there have been many others who suffered in slavery. The traditional image of Vikings is of pale-skinned blond-haired invaders but their description as "dark foreigners" may lead us to conclude that their memory in folklore does not necessarily reflect their physical description. John Barry, who composed the scores for 11 James Bond films is one of the most famous people with the name Barry. The term "black Irish" refers to persons of Irish descent who are . https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%e2%80%98irish-slaves%e2%80%99-convenient-myth, Some good explanations of the term Black Irish: If white apprentices could be sold as part of a ships chattels, it is not surprising to learn, according to a further announcement in the same paper, that: A Black Negro man, well qualified in labour and industry, for a gentlemans house, garden or stable, who has seven years eto serve this nation is now to be disposed of. Our ppl fled into west and central Africa (Khem aka Ham) after Jerusalem was destroyed by Rome in 70 CE. The byword "African-American" was just adopted by our ppl in the 1980s due to the counsel of our so-called black "leaders" a Jesse Jackson. The term "Black Irish" has also been applied to the descendants of Irish emigrants who settled in the West Indies. It was prophesied that our people would go into slavery on ships because we broke Gods commandments. There are good apples and bad apples in every group of people, and people tend to do things based on more local things than racial ideology. The Normans originated in France, where black-haired people are not uncommon. What is White? What people seem to be missing is the point of contention that exists today. You see Irish people as part of your oppressors because they have the same skin colour, and you resort to the exact racial slurs and derogatory comments that the white English used against them the same white English that oppressed YOUR ancestors. One of them reached his 7 year mark, and went to work on another mans farm. It is safe to say that if we knew all of history everyones ancestry has been enslaved at sometime. Again , please dont source liam hogan lol haha, he is a librarian.not a historian!!!!! Derogatory names for immigrant groups are legion and in the case of those who left Ireland include "Shanty Irish" and almost certainly "Black Irish." How did Blacks end up with Irish names? It had to do with language. The Irish were treated as less of a person than blacks, maybe not worthy of the slave owners name! Africans (Hamites) did not sell their own ppl. It is thought that this Irish last name might, in fact, be the oldest surname in Europe! This article tries to make it seem as if black slaves had it far better than Irish slaves or indentured servants.